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re: Loot Rules Reminder

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Anyone who raids with the guild should be fully aware of our loot rules. Often different guilds/pug groups will use different rules, therefore it is vital, in order to avoid drama and misunderstandings, that raid members are aware prior to attending a guild raid how our loot rules work.

The full guild rules, which also include raiding rules, can be found on our "Guild Rules" page which may be accessed from our Wiki or directly from the page links above.

For ease, I have duplicated the pertinent points below:

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Bind on Pickup items

The Loot Master will link any loot available to be rolled for in raid chat. S(he) will then invite any "Need" rolls first.

To qualify to roll under a "Need" roll, the item must be for your current class and role - if you are unsure, feel free to ask. If multiple people roll "Need" on an item, highest roll wins. For further information regarding qualifying for loot, please refer to the item "Qualifying for Loot" ...

If no-one desires an item under the "Need" roll, the Loot Master will ask for "Greed" rolls.

To qualify to roll under a "Greed" roll, you must be able to use the item for an "off-spec" (ie, a role that you have set as your second talent tree). You should not roll under "Greed" for an item that you could use, but that you haven't specced for, unless all others who would qualify pass on the item. So, for example, if you are a Paladin healer, with an offspec talented into Retribution (melee dps), you should not roll for tank items, as you do not have a tank spec currently.

If no-one desires an item under the "Need" or "Greed" rolls, and you wish an item to build up a set that you haven't currently specced for, please ask once it is obvious that no-one else is going to roll.

"Bind on Equip" Loot

Should an item drop that is Bind on Equip, the same rules apply as for BoP items in respect of "need" and "greed" rolling. If someone wins on a "Need/current spec" or "Greed/off-spec" roll they MUST equip it immediately, in order to make the item "soulbound". Once they have made the item soulbound, they do not necessarily have to keep wearing the item (ie, if it was won for an off-spec set).

If no-one wants a BoE item to equip and use, the raid may choose whether or not everyone should roll (highest roll wins) or if the item should be sold and proceeds donated to the guild vault.

Qualifying for Loot

NEED rolls - in order to qualify to roll for items under "Need", you have to:

* be in the role the item is intended for DURING THE FIGHT THAT RESULTED IN THE LOOT DROP. Therefore if you were in a tanking role during that particular fight, you can ONLY roll "Need" for tanking items. If you were in a healing role during that particular fight, you can ONLY roll "Need" for healing items, etc. Regardless of any other roles you can or have in the past fulfilled.
* ensure the item dropped is an upgrade to your current gear for that particular item slot.
* ensure the item dropped is intended for your role, and not more suited to another role.

GREED rolls - in order to qualify to roll for items under "Greed", you have to:

* have an off-spec set up for the role the item is intended for. Therefore, if you were a DPS during the fight, and a healer item dropped that no-one rolled for under "Need", you can ONLY roll "Greed" if you were able to swap immediately from DPS to healer spec (although your off-spec doesn't necessarily have to be up to the same (raiding) standard as your main spec gear).
* ensure the item dropped is an upgrade to your current (off-spec) gear for that particular item slot.
* ensure the item dropped is intended for your (off-spec) role, and not more suited to another role.

This is to ensure that (a) every member of the raid, at any one time, only qualifies for "Need" loot for one role, (b) those who are called upon to switch to a different role have a higher chance to gain loot for that second role, whilst using that role.

This makes it fair to all members of the raid, and also enables those who dual spec to improve their "off-spec" faster than they normally would (as they may roll "Need" for items for that "off-spec" role, whilst in that role).


If anyone has any objections to these loot rules, please let us know well in advance of any raid that may be scheduled - do not suddenly decide as invites are being carried out, that the loot rules are unfair.

If you have an objection to these loot rules, please ensure that (a) your objection is not driven by pure greed (a current level raid is made up of 9 other people - you couldn't do it alone, regardless of your gear) (b) you have a valid alternative.

If you have specific requirements prior to attending a raid, please let the raid leader/organiser know direct - either via private message on this website or /whisper in-game. Do not simply announce something in guild chat as there is a possibility it will not be seen, especially during raid set-up time. Ensure that your message is sent well in advance of the specific raid, and ensure the raid leader/organiser has received it.

Please keep in mind that we have run with these rules, or slight variations of them, successfully for many years. We have considered other options, including DKP, Loot Council and Suicide Kings, but each system has its problems. The one we currently use is the fairest we have come across, compared to the length of time it takes to monitor it. It simply requires that raid members are honest (with themselves as well as others), knowledgeable about what sort of loot is for their class/role and are not driven by greed.

Saying that ... the rules will develop over time, as new features are implemented within the game and as new problems are encountered, therefore if anything seems "out of date" within the Guild Rules, please let me know!
 

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